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Old 18-02-2018, 09:00 PM   #1
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Getting anybody help on the above class ?

Later on I want a cabinet with the LMS classes on display.
Because of my birth place I have already bought City of Sheffield in wartime black but would also like the latest model to be released Sir William A Stanier.

So because I only want 1 model of each class would it be possible to have these 2 models ? Or this engines identical ? Or was William Stanier a rebuild later for streamline ?
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Old 18-02-2018, 09:39 PM   #2
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Neither were streamlined, City of Sheffield was the first built not as a streamliner, in 1944. Sir William A Stanier was built in 1947. The last two (Sir William A Stanier and City of Salford) did however have a number of differences including modified rear pony truck, roller bearings and a shortened cab side sheet.
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Old 18-02-2018, 09:48 PM   #3
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Hi Growler
Sir William and City of Salfordwere the last two locos of the class known as Duchesses, or Cities. They were a re-design by HG Ivatt,, the most visible difference being the cabsides, which, on the Ivatt design, were higher. Also the trailing wheels were in a pony truck totally different to the Stanier locos being more like that fitted to the Britannias. The Ivatt locos looked like the Staniers apart from these two features.

These two locos were never streamlined.

If I understand you correctly you can have Sheffield and Stanier in your cabinet without a duplication
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Old 18-02-2018, 09:49 PM   #4
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The City of Sheffield and William Stanier differed in some ways so you can have 1 of each.

There was a few differences in the real loco's but take a look at the Hornby models and you will notice the cab is different.

Stanier here

Sheffield here

The following from Wiki
The final two locomotives Nos. 6256 and 46257 Sir William A. Stanier, F.R.S and City of Salford were given many new features. In order to raise the mileage between general overhauls from 70,000 to 100,000, measures were taken to decrease wear to the axle bearings and hornguides through the use of roller bearings and manganese steel linings. Other modifications included further superheating area, a redesigned rear frame and cast steel trailing truck, rocking grate, hopper ashpan and redesigned cab-sides.
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Neither were streamlined, City of Sheffield was the first built not as a streamliner, in 1944. Sir William A Stanier was built in 1947. The last two (Sir William A Stanier and City of Salford) did however have a number of differences including modified rear pony truck, roller bearings and a shortened cab side sheet.
Hi Mike
Many thanks for posting while I was doing my reply!
Had you forgotten the original non-streamlined Duchesses 6230-6234?
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Had you forgotten the original non-streamlined Duchesses 6230-6234?
Yup! Just glanced down a list of them; maybe should have wrote was the first to be built after streamlining was abandoned
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I can see the difference now, next question is about Sir William Stanier because it’s a princess coronation is it the same as princess Elizabeth ? Also which Stanier was the superior names ?
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I take it you are aware that Stanier designed other locos as well.
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Yes like Gresley but I found the classes of LMS confusing!
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Itís just that you referred to the Stanier Class as if it was the only one like a Castle Class.
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