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Old 02-10-2016, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default Loft Layout - Possibiltiy

Looking at the possibility of having some structural work done to the loft space to solve the usual problem of removing cross beams and bracing to give some un-obstructed space.

Ive had a loft layout at our previous house but the 'loft' was part of an old third level no longer used so already had proper floor and walls etc.

http://www.modelrailwayforum.co.uk/s...ead.php?t=5314

(The previous layout was N Gauge, this will most likely be OO)

The plan would be to convert 75% of the loft for a layout and leave the remaining 25% for storage. It would involve removing the two nearest beams and braces in the photos then the usual insulation, couple of roof windows and finishing off.

Anyone had experience with this type of construction before, its a 1950's build.

Before anyone points it out, yes...
PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AND SERVICES WILL BE USED!

The below show the current state:

Boarded (for storage use)
Decent loft hatch / ladder combo installed
AV cabinet mounted on chimney breast rack in the way (to be moved round the corner)





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Old 02-10-2016, 08:27 PM   #2
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Like most older properties they used real beams to support the roof, have you worked out the size of the layout you can go to.....
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:48 PM   #3
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Steven......a very ambitious and expensive project.......you cannot remove any of the existing beams supporting the purlins without installing a lot of steel to take the roof weight off the purlins........also, the floor is totally inadequate to take the weight of an extensive model railway with associated storage, wiring etc........your existing floor panels are resting on 3 or 4 inch ceiling joists.......a proper floor has to be on 8 inch joists such as your first floor........I can see you spending around 30,000 to achieve your ambition.......as you say, you will need professional advice from a structural engineer to design a new loft and submit to Building Control.......HB
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A builder is coming to scope it out next week, if its looking like silly money then a plan B will be required.... you can buy a 1 bedroom flat for 30k around our way!
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I hope all goes well. Though the attic design uses strong beams the positioning of them is not exactly ideal. Sadly one can't just move things over a bit as they serve a very important purpose. Also the beams you will be walking on will need to be strong enough. Yes, it is a good idea to get advice, and I'd get it from more then one source. Once done though attics do have nice long runs for trains except they tend to get warm in summer and cold in winter.
Older pre-1900 town houses usually have the best attics. The poorest attics I have seen are modern designs that rely on the design itself rather then the material strength to hold the roof up. They use the thinnest of wood they can get away with! The issues are the attics are full of thin wooden battens in the way of everything, and will hardly hold any extra weight up there for traditional storage as they only just hold the weight of the roof!
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The builder has been and had a look, he's pretty confident its not that much of a complex / big job as previously thought. All of the internal house walls are brick so we've got a centre and the end walls on which to support new floor joists and then new vertical load bearers for the roof.

Firs thing to do is get some opening windows in the roof then get some of the current boards up to get a better look at the supporting walls underneath.
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That is good news.
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That's all sounding good, it should keep you off the street for a bit.......
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Sounds very promising, Steven.........a worthwhile project......can't do my loft as it's full of trusses and only 4'6" headroom.......look forward to seeing progress photos in due course.....HB
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I would imagine progress will be quite slow, easily 18 months before any signs of a layout appear
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